Obama’s Words Ignite Racial Firestorm
In my last post, Confessions of a White Man, I decided to use the words of Barack and Michelle Obama to apply to a white person. I believe their words and opinions to be racist, yet I knew no one would be upset until I changed "black" to "white". The following is a comment posted on that page — and then a response…
You stated, “Today, while the establishment is busy protecting black Americans from discrimination, they have turned a blind eye toward white people, women, and Christians.”
Please, spare us the victimhood. Until white people in this country are slaves for 200 years, forced to endure jim crow, seperate but unequal, terrorized for another 100 years, and attacked by the state for protesting equal rights in a country where “all men are created equal” (civil rights movement) there really is nothing to talk about here.
And so much for honoring MLK’s dream of racial utopia–you forgot about the Asians, Latinos, Muslims etc., that also make up this great country. But I guess they don’t count in your myopic black/white vision that is America.
You also stated, “Progress has been made regarding attitudes toward black people, but an over-correction is being committed.”
As an African-American I’m DYING to know how the US “over-corrected” the institutionalized marginalization and designation of blacks as second class citizens which persisted for over 200 years. Oh that’s right 30 years of Affirmative Action policies (many of which have since been dismantled and that benefitted white WOMEN) should have more than made up for those injustices.As an African-American I should be grateful (and I’m stealing this from the PUMA playbook) and “fall in line”. I’m not suggesting we haven’t come a long way–we have, but man you reek of prejudice! And no it’s not cause you’re not voting for Obama!
Thanks for the confession, but no your racially misguided views don’t represent the “typical white person[s]” I know.
As an Irish-American, I am well aware of the issue of slavery. The English enslaved and mistreated the Irish for hundreds of years. In turn of the century America, Irish immigrants were treated like garbage. Fortunately, I don’t dwell on the past in an attempt to play the eternal victim.
This article is not an attempt at victimhood. Strange you would read it that way. It is simply a way of showing that the words and opinions of the Obamas are racist and offensive. Most of the words come from Michelle and Barack Obama except the 2008 closing paragraph.
I knew Obamabots would not find Barack’s and Michelle’s words unacceptable until I used them to apply to myself. Also, I in no way left any group out of Dr. King’s racial utopia. Unless, you think he did. I said “until MLK’s dream has been truly and equally realized”. I even emphasized TRULY and EQUALLY.
I might have tried to list every possible group of people in this country, as you have, but space did not allow. Did you notice you yourself forgot to mention Pacific Islanders? and Buddhists? and millions of other Americans? I guess you put them in the “etc.” column. How nice of you.
And I grow tired of you rabid racist types who constantly suggest that the only way to achieve equality in this country is to somehow subject white people to 200 years of slavery. Confronting THAT RACIST ATTITUDE is the true purpose of this article.
As I stated earlier, my ancestors already were slaves. I don’t need your lesson. I, however, was not. Nor were you. We HAVE come a long way, I just don’t want to see ANY of us go in reverse. But if the racist, hate-mongering, black separatist Rev. Wright’s comments are acceptable, whereas Don Imus’ are not… we might be beginning to do just that




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Comment by Clinton Enemy #987-54-3217 — June 30, 2008 @ 2:26 am
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Comment by charles higgins — June 30, 2008 @ 9:40 am
Slavery was an awful stain on our American character–one which we removed with much retributive blood by northern soldiers and much punitive blood and property and subjugation by southern soldiers and families. Our black brothers and sisters sometimes forget that many races have been enslaved and mistreated, including whites. The scots-irish have been hated for a long time by the english and pretty much everyone else. Japan enslaved the Chinese. While we must remember that awful time in our history and respect the loss and sacrifices of those who suffered it, it is over and has been over for a long, long time. The future is where the real “Hope” is, so remember the past but move on from it.
Comment by DamnWalker — June 30, 2008 @ 10:59 am
DamnWalker,
Any black-american with an ounce of education will tell you that slavery is NOT a white invention. However, I am unclear as to your point in bringing up slavery in other parts of the globe. Black-americans speak of AMERICAN slavery because whether people in America like to admit it or not, that is what has affected our lives. Slavery may have ended in the nineteenth century, but the legalized discrimination of blacks extended well into the 20th century–a point that my grandparents, as children of sharecroppers, and my own parents, who valiantly participated and marched in the Civil Rights Movement can attest to.
Racial discrepancies are still very real. It doesn’t take genius to realize there is still a racial problem in this country when 50% of the prison population is black, and that a large chunk of the black population reside in lower income communities plagued with a ghastly drug and gun problem. Then of course we still have the problem of racial profiling (when’s the last time you saw an unarmed white man shot over 40 times by the police?), predatory lending, gentrification (while not necessarily a racial issue per se, it feeds of the economic inequity present in AA communities since post-slavery), and growing prison industrial complex.
So as much as I’d love to “move on” to a racial utopia = America, that dream is still not close to being a lucid reality (granted we have made tremendous progress). And while I admire your spill on “hope” I caution you as a non-black to tell your fellow “brothers and sisters” when and where to “move on” from a past that has not affected your family or community in the same way that it has so negatively affected AA’s in the US.
Imagine telling the Jewish community to acknowledge but “move on” from the Holocaust.
Regards,
Comment by David — June 30, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
Political Pyro,
You insist on missing the point. Slavery in England, Ireland, Africa, etc., has NOTHING to do with slavery in AMERICA. So please lets be clear about this. This is our country’s history whether you like it or not.
Barack and Michelle Obama racists? Where on earth could you have deduced such an idea? But quite honestly my commentary wasn’t about them, it was about YOUR racially slighted comments–so lets get back on track. You don’t deflect your own prejudiced attitudes by calling someone else (who happens to be half white….imagine that) a racist.
And since you have trouble remembering–let me refresh your memory.
You stated, “Today, while the establishment is busy protecting black Americans from discrimination, they have turned a blind eye toward WHITE PEOPLE, WOMEN, and CHRISTIANS”.
Guess those are the only folks that matter? Oh wait no they don’t. I guess you assume that just because you juxtaposed MLK into an otherwise borderline bigoted post, that gives you some type of bleeding heart liberal cred? Please give me a break.
Furthermore, the intent of my post was to expose your misguided lament (violin included) on how the government has in your opinion, effectively “neglected” white people, women, and Christians by protecting black people from discrimination–so if that meant giving you a refresher course on how badly blacks were treated in this country and for so long (through the 1960’s) then so be it. You don’t like it pick another country to live. This is our history and we can only heal from that depending on how people choose to acknowledge and accept that fact. Somehow, what I think you really meant was white people, white women, and white Christians–god knows you didn’t mean black women or black Christians eh?
Also, you still have not addressed your last statement, “Progress has been made regarding attitudes toward black people, but an over-correction is being committed.”
If you can address this without sounding like a bigot, you got me. Maybe we should go back to seperate but unequal…..that would really help in the “over-correction” on progress.
Oh, but that’s right I’m the one with the racist attitude. Get real.
Comment by David — June 30, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
Political Pyro,
Oh I get it now the vast majority of your post was a “play” on words. Where can I get a copy of those words that you claim were mouthed by Barack and Michelle? Really I’d like to see it, so that it can be rightfully placed in context, if what you say is true. Upon those conditions you have my sincerest apologies for misinterpreting. But again on the “over-correction” part. Where did you get that from? Cause that reeks of you know….
By the way my response to DamnWalker magically disappeared? Where did it go?
Regards,
[***Finally, you are getting the point. The article IS a play on words. You can find the original quotes in Michelle Obama’s thesis at Princeton, Barack Obama’s “typical white person” radio interview, and Obama’s statements in San Francisco concerning “bitter” Pennsylvanians. All these quotes are easily found on the internet.
As far as the “over-corrections”, if you go back to my original post, I was referring to the social climate: specifically the media-driven age of political correctness. I was not referring to laws, and I was not even referring to the “real world” that you and I live in. Here in Maryland, we have just about every color under the sun living in one fairly small community, and I think we are all the better for it.
But a nagging question still remains: Why is it ok for Obama to say these things about white people, (or for that matter, Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor made careers out of being offensive) but Don Imus gets fired for calling the Rutgers basketball team a bunch of “nappy headed hos”? (Obama was a part of the group calling for his termination) Is this not an outrageous double-standard? Or what about Hillary Clinton being trashed for crying? Or Chris Matthews saying the only reason she became a Senator was because Bill cheated on her? Or Geraldine Ferraro being labeled a racist because she stated the obvious: Barack Obama actually BENEFITS from being biracial because he seems to embody a part of all of us. The list goes on.
As a Democrat, I was initially torn between Barack and Hillary. Maybe I’m a bit shallow, but John Edwards was out in my mind mostly because I’m tired of looking at white guys always running the show. America is bigger than that. When the two had their debate in California, it seemed so obvious to me that they made a great team. I wanted them both! But, as the campaign rolled on, I found the media coverage and the double-standards to be unbearable.
I could go on, but I don’t want to be too long-winded. And I don’t delete posts, not matter how badly people trash me. I will try to see which one you are referring to and make sure it is posted –PoliticalPyro]
Comment by David — June 30, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Political Pyro,
Would it not have been fair to post the quotes in their entirety, rather than short, “clever” sound bites that leave the reader with no way of discerning the real intent of the message? Have you never said something, that if quoted, could be taken out of context? No…..right?
Your accusation that Obama is a racist or harbors a “racist attitude” is just as wrong as AA’s labeling McCain a racist for his initial opposition to recognizing MLK as a federal holiday way back when–isn’t it? Or is there a double standard here that I’m missing? Equally atrocious is your desire to label him guilty by association.
Still not buying your “over-correction” argument buddy. In fact, you still haven’t named an example of this “over-correction”. I don’t think you’re a racist, just a bit misguided. Or maybe I’m taking your words OUT OF CONTEXT, eh?
News flash Pyro, Obama is HALF WHITE. What part of that is so hard to understand? If Imus had been half black his comments wouldn’t have been an issue…and quite frankly as an AA I didn’t find his comments to be that offensive. But I guess you assume that because I’m black I’m somehow a sheep for the Al Sharpton’s, Jesse Jackson’s, and Reverend Wright’s of the US. And let me get this straight…now you’ve sucked in black comedians into your misguided tirades? ALL comedians have made a living out of being offensive and pushing racial, gender, and social limits–please don’t go there.
Please spare me the liberal sap. You don’t have to prove anything to me. Remember just because you’re not voting for Obama doesn’t make you prejudice–my parents voted for Hillary in the CA primary and guess what they’re black! It’s the other stuff, especially once getting past your “liberal” frill that gets me thinking–”me thinks you really don’t know black people in this country, or acknowledge their struggles”, and that yes, you are a “typical white person” in that regard.
FYI,
Obama’s “bitter” comment makes no mention of WHITE PEOPLE, as you have so deceitfully implied. Here it is in it’s entirety:
“You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
You know, when I read that paragraph in its entirety it makes a lot more sense to me.
Lastly,
You want the world to believe that Obama, raised by his white mother and grandparents is a racist based on the quote, “typical white person”? Get real.
Regards,
[***OK, apparently you and I would have an interesting afternoon in a bar somewhere. Clever sound bites? Can there be any other meaning to Michelle Obama expressing concern about “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”? What is this white culture crap? This is a melting pot culture. It is a Western civilization culture.
And to use the term “typical white person” means that at some point you have made a conscious decision to base the actions of white people solely on the stereotype you give value to in your mind. Don’t even pretend that if the exact same quote had been made by John McCain about “typical black people” that all Hell would not have broken loose, and in fact he would probably have been forced out of the race.
And as far as McCain opposing the national MLK holiday, it seems to me that it was based solely on not wanting to give federal employees yet another paid day off, not the day itself. If I remember correctly, Coretta Scott King, expressed the same sentiment by saying her husband was not about “a day off” but working. I will see if I can find out more about this matter this evening….. off to work for now –Pyro]
Comment by David — June 30, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Pyro,
Unless you’ve been living under a rock, the US is no racial or gender utopia that you’ve made it out to be–we’re getting there, but we’re not there yet. As a black woman, Michelle’s got two strikes against her in a country historically and currently dominated by white men. Or does the gender, racial, or glass ceiling card only apply when it comes to Mrs. Clinton?? So no I don’t find it hard to believe, that Michelle Obama, as a black woman, at a historically white university and in a country still dominated by white men, that Michelle would feel just a bit on the “periphery”. If Hillary was a victim (as PUMA supporters claim) of the “good ole boy” network, then imagine how a BLACK WOMAN must feel? Can you? I seriously doubt it.
As far as my usage of “typical white person” I have always used it sarcastically, so spare the psycho babble gunk.
I can’t pretend anything if it didn’t happen. The fact of the matter is YOU don’t know and I don’t know what would’ve, should’ve, and could’ve happened had John McCain said, “typical black person”, especially if not rightly put into context. Why don’t you post the entire quote Pyro? Why do you keep hanging on to two to three sentences, that are down right meaningless if not given the correct context? And I’ll take it your silence on the “bitter” comment and my own research means you agree that the comment was not directed solely towards white americans, but ALL americans living in small towns.
And on John McCain–that was my point. It would be unfair to paint McCain as a racist based on his opposition to the MLK holiday, which he has since embraced–just as it is unfair for people like you to paint Mr. Obama (a half WHITE man raised by WHITE family) as a racist based off of “typical white person”–so no research needed–I know all about it, thanks.
I suspect, it’s not so much about the comment–it’s simply convenient fodder to express your disdain and antipathy for the democratic presidential nominee.
It would be so much easier to just say you don’t like the guy, rather than spreading shady half-truths–ya know?
Regards,
[***There is no doubt in my mind you are passionate about what you speak of. Obviously, our contrasting positions are the very tensions that continue to plague this country today. If one of us chooses to belittle the other, our chances of achieving Dr. King’s utopian dream are futile. –PoliticalPyro]
Comment by David — June 30, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
I promise this is my last response on the matter.
You are not above it all and you don’t “get it” nor do you understand MLK’s utopian vision—name dropping doesn’t make it so.
Shifting into bleeding-heart, “color-blind”, messenger of MLK mode doesn’t deflect the cold, hard, facts that I have raised. It’s not my belittling stopping the fruition of MLK’s dream–rather, it’s your dismissive, angry at the “over-commitment”, racism and gender bias don’t exist when it comes to black people, attitude, and people who share your attitude (black & white) that’s impeding racial utopia.
You want to bridge the gap–reach out to the black community. Volunteer…ask, black-americans how they feel about the political process, Don Imus, this country, and what happened between Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama during the primary season–you might be surprised. Discussion–interracial discussion is a starting point.
All the “confessions of a white man” don’t get us anywhere if you constantly direct your frustrations to a predominantly white audience (and yes I’m assuming that most of your visitors are white).
Regards,
Comment by David — July 1, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Rip ‘em up, shred ‘em up citizen-to-citizen_ this is always what the thieves at the top always see as their signal that raiding the national coffers is working! When everyone stops “thinking” through their emotions are you each going to be able to walk outside og you gated communities?!!!
STOP! Look! Listen inside first! WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING? WHAT WILL THIS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH? Is this kind of blind anger what our children and grandchildren are supposed to continue to imprint; “I” was raised that way and it didn’t hurt me any…toughen up!”
Wake up AMERICA, hello? Is there an America here anymore, or is everything the founding fathers laid the foundation for_ just throw away?
Comment by l'artiste — July 4, 2008 @ 12:44 am